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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 12:11 am 
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I found something on Wilkepedia again:

Essentially chariots were used for nobility only.
Transport was done via donkey.

Vic Hurley in his book "Arrows against steel," states that:

"Their main arm was cavalry, and their bow is believed to have been identical with, or similar to, the Assyrian bow. It was a curved bow, somewhat short-measuring less than 4 feel in length when strung.
The bow had knobs at each end over which the bowstring was passed. Its arrow was about 3 feet long. The Babylonians also used the chariot in support of the masses of infantry-archers. Their tactics were similar but quite inferior to the formations of the Assyrians."

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I believe, personallly, in stating the above, that their swords were probably bronze, perhaps similar to the Assyrians. The bow, I believe, was probably a mixture of horn/wood/(sinew?) perhaps a composite bow.
They probably used battering rams, as the Assyrians did have them, from the archaeological record. I have seen the Assyrian bas reliefs showing transport over river via a bowl looking boat, probably a mixture of animal hides and tar/bitumen, which did the job!

It's quite difficult to find a "tactical" viewpoint or formation, ie. primitive phalanx, or pincer maneuver from this time era. That seems to have come into play during the Persian/Greek period. The Sumerians used a phalanx type of formation, seen in their artwork.

Still lookin! Hellas1


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Very nice! :)

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I have some concept art for the Babylonian/Assyrian armies. If the modelling team need some concepts to get their creative juices flowing then here they are.

Babylon

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Elam (part of the Babylonian Empire)

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Assyria (part of the Babylonian Empire)

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Apart from the Assyrians and Elamites as additional troops to the babylonian military machine I think the original Babylonian army in the babylonian faction preview is fantastic and shouldnt be changed at all.

Ok thats my bit for now. If the teams would like some detailed historical info on Babylon they only have to ask. ;)


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Oh we already finished and previewed the Babylonian faction some time ago: http://www.riseofpersia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=489

Thanks anyway. Some of the pics were indeed used for development, IIRC.

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They were not, because they don't fit into the timeframe of RoP.

The Assyrian troops in the pictures are quite accurate, but they belong simply into the time of the Assyrian empire as they are based on their reliefs. Moreover, the Assyrian military has been completely destroyed and the Assyrian population was either killed or assimilated by our time (559-490BC).
The Elamites on these pictures are based on Niniveh reliefs from the Palace of Ashurbanipal as well and belong into the 7th cent.BC therefore, not into the late 6th cent.BC, which is recreated by our mod.

Here is a link to the Babylon-preview on TWC, where the special characters work:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=54371

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No one used arrows 3 feet in length! I practice archery all the time and the bow would have to have had No1:A man 6 feet+. No2:A huge compound bow. It is highly unlikely the Babylonians used arrows so large.


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I think Mithridates (Mehrdad in Persian :wink: ) is right. Such bows must have been really hard to transport too.


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Babak the Persian wrote:
Mehrdad in Persian

Actually greeks converted "Mehrdad" to "Mithridates" for their ease."Mehrdad" is the true name not Mithridates.


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Since the arrows are not modelled anyway, this does not matter. The research on the Babylonians is finished, since we finished modelling and coding the faction. In short, Babylon is finished and (almost) ready to go.

It will be part of the next big release (unknown eta).

Again, I invite you to take a look at them:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=54371

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You're right, Kami and I didn't mean to say Mithridates is the true name. It's just about the troublesome habit of old Greeks to convert Persian names into something more familiar with their own. (just like the way Arabs always do)


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